WEBVTT STYLE ::cue(v[voice="CBB0AA31-EDC7-4963-9C94-5103FD969149"]) { color: #CB30E0; } ::cue(v[voice="0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384"]) { color: #FF383C; } ::cue(v[voice="0D11C36A-4344-4224-B0F5-E1BAF1C0A8B9"]) { color: #CB30E0; } ::cue(v[voice="01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E"]) { color: #00C0E8; } 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:20.000 [Music] 2 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:15.960 This is GamesItWork.biz, your weekly podcast about gaming, technology, and play. 3 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:19.399 Your hosts are Michael Martine, Andy Piper, and Michael Rowe. 4 00:00:19.399 --> 00:00:23.000 The thoughts and opinions on this podcast are those of the hosts and guests alone, 5 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:28.000 and are not the opinions of any organization which they have been, are, or may be, affiliated with. 6 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:29.079 [upbeat music] 7 00:00:33.500 --> 00:00:37.420 This is episode 525! See you through wooden pixels! 8 00:00:38.500 --> 00:00:41.079 [upbeat music] 9 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:55.640 Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. It's Friday. I'm Michael Rowe and I'm here talking tech and having fun with my friend and cohost Michael Martine. Michael, how are you? 10 00:00:55.500 --> 00:01:05.019 Hey, Michael, doing great, although we're missing Andy this week, though this is a very strange show to have two Michaels and no Andy. How does that work out? 11 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:09.400 Yep. I know, you know, we almost had a replacement Brit, but that didn't work out. 12 00:01:10.299 --> 00:01:14.379 Well, there could be no replacement for Andy. You know, that's just how that works. 13 00:01:15.500 --> 00:01:50.579 Well, Andy would be sad to know that we're going to start off this week's show with something that he would have loved to talk about and that is manufacturing with LEGO, he would have loved this. This text explorer article came from one of the two view, and from like Elgan, that talks about brick GPT and I was certain somewhere another we had something like this before about a large language model built on LEGO. Maybe it was LEGO LLM, I have to continue to look for this. 14 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.480 Yes, yes, he would love it. 15 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:56.359 It could have been that. And they do talk about their leveraging another tool, right? 16 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:16.439 They're using stable text to brick. Research generated stable text to brick is what they create coming into the brick GPT. So yeah, I don't know. It does sound so familiar, 17 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.280 Yeah, exactly. Anyway, well, we'll see if we can find it but but 18 00:02:16.439 --> 00:02:19.400 which is why as soon as I saw it from Mike Elgin, I was like, 19 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:20.680 We've got to talk about this. 20 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:24.099 It's like so many of our hot buttons right now. 21 00:02:24.099 --> 00:02:30.240 Lego, AI, robots, printing, the work. 22 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:32.919 So it would be ideal. 23 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:35.000 And I actually-- I was actually surprised. 24 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.719 I watched the video that they had attached to it. 25 00:02:38.719 --> 00:02:46.520 And the example that they made was the worst Lego thing I've ever seen built. 26 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.860 it was just almost like it was one brick-wide 27 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:15.000 and like 10 bricks tall, not very exciting build, but yeah, the fact that they're able to have the models be generated using this LLM that knows how bricks work and then that they had robots that were precise and both strong and gentle enough at the same time. 28 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.259 [laughing] 29 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:21.000 Because if you press too hard, especially the way they were building, you could knock over the build. 30 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:28.000 Because it's like a tower. And if you don't press hard enough, then they won't stick. 31 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:34.120 You might remember to the Bricked app that we've talked about before as well. 32 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:43.659 That was cool because what you could do with that app is you took a picture of your pile of Lego bricks and then what can you build with it? 33 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:42.500 And it said, what can you build? 34 00:03:43.659 --> 00:03:47.139 The idea of saying, "Well, I want to build a double-daker couch." 35 00:03:47.139 --> 00:03:48.139 Cool. 36 00:03:48.139 --> 00:03:51.879 How might you do that and what would you include in that and how? 37 00:03:52.500 --> 00:04:04.500 You know, how might you now combine that with the bricks you already have and maybe the bricks you need and you could 3d print the ones that are missing. Right. So you can do all kinds of good fun stuff with this. 38 00:04:07.500 --> 00:04:22.500 So there was another one because Mike here and not that we're biased towards people and they Mike or Michael but he had another post as well on Mastodon dealing with an article on perplexing. 39 00:04:23.500 --> 00:04:28.500 Looking to solve Google's problem by taking Chrome off their hands. 40 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:59.000 So this one, this one's a lot deeper than it may first imply and I was actually during my walk earlier this week, I was listening to Steve Gibson because there was another report that came out last week that perplexity was caught by level three doing everything possible to get around the robot style. 41 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:09.800 Yeah. Exactly. Right. Including, including going to say, I am not a robot. And I'm clicking through the chat captures. 42 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:26.000 This was on security now, and Steve Gibson is the key brain behind it, and Leo Lipport is kind of the host, and as host, he's a big fan of perplexity. 43 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.060 And I am too. I mean what I've used for 44 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:58.660 it's actually really good, perplexity is a, I'll call it an LLM aggregator, that will allow you to use many different models for prompting and it's actually really good and the experience that I had with it was it was pretty good getting around things like website capabilities that... 45 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.980 ...are intuitively designed to stop you from scraping them. 46 00:06:03.980 --> 00:06:24.500 So I was working at a startup earlier in the year and we had a tool and our back end was using an API called ScrapingB that allows you to scrape content from a website for the usage of including another API's. Let's put it that way. 47 00:06:24.500 --> 00:06:29.000 Um, and we found it was less than reliable mainly. 48 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:40.000 For all the right reasons, rights sites don't want to be scraped and they were saying don't scrape me and you're an API and you're supposed to be at a server level adhering to the rules of the site you're going to. 49 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:53.000 Um, and so a lot of times, uh, some of the tools that people were using us for work to like give me a list of potential customers by looking at relationships on LinkedIn. 50 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:59.000 As an example and, uh, scraping B with. 51 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:07.000 It was failing miserably or it would only give you like five rows of data, which is not a good way of doing a lot of deep deep analysis. 52 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:17.000 Uh, and so we would run some tests and say well if I put this exact same prompt into perplexity and perplexity would come back with like a hundred and five rows of data. 53 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.000 Uh, so it's like whoa, that's pretty good. 54 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.000 Hmm 55 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:25.000 Uh, and so from that perspective perplexity was really, really good. 56 00:07:24.160 --> 00:07:28.120 Do you remember how it was doing that and what what the difference was there? I mean it 57 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.000 and Steve. Well... 58 00:07:29.000 --> 00:07:34.000 So that was the interesting part of the discussion last week from Steve Gibson. 59 00:07:34.000 --> 00:07:37.000 Okay, so the... 60 00:07:37.000 --> 00:07:40.000 I'll call it the... 61 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:49.000 The polite agreement amongst the Internet is if you have a file in the root of the directory on your server called robot.txt. 62 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:57.000 You can say which parts of your site can be crawled and which parts of your site cannot be crawled. 63 00:07:57.000 --> 00:08:09.639 basically saying The task of the agreement of the web is search engines provide value to me as a website host or creator and so I'm going to give you some of value to to web crawlers 64 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:17.120 Do you remember web crawler the actual search engine called web crawler right Google all to Vista all those guys, right? 65 00:08:13.500 --> 00:08:15.500 Long time ago, yeah 66 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:28.699 and They would then prevent present that data to a user who to get the details would click through to come to your site and your ads that you're hosting in your site pay for all of it 67 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.160 That's that's how the Internet works for the most part 68 00:08:32.120 --> 00:08:35.480 Then there were some of you going on so a lot of people started putting up paywalls 69 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:41.000 Right, and so you can't get to the content without going to the paywall well 70 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:45.039 what it appears to be is that 71 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:51.759 perplexity according to the analysis done by L3 with level three, which is a 72 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.759 Hosting provider. They do DNS services, etc 73 00:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.440 the 74 00:08:59.000 --> 00:09:01.179 Visity tool would hit the site 75 00:09:02.240 --> 00:09:11.240 correctly and Basically say hey, I'm perplexity. I'm an API. I'm looking for this data on the site and the site was a no-no-no 76 00:09:12.879 --> 00:09:20.679 You're real. I'm real. That's not text. Please don't scrape me for that reasons or and this is where it got dirty 77 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:28.960 The customers who are using level three were going in and saying I'm putting rules in place on my server 78 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:35.399 to actually look at the header on the transaction to say, "You're a bot, you're perplexity, 79 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:40.759 you are not allowed to hit my site. I will drop the message, I'll ignore it, etc." 80 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:58.960 And so what was happening was as soon as that came in, perplexity then would start coming from lots of different IP addresses and changing their header from being perplexity to, "I'm so far on Mac or. 81 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:06.639 I'm just a Chrome browser and saying it was a web browser, not an agent, not an API. 82 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.840 In order to get around the rules, so. 83 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:10.840 Why would you do that? 84 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:17.159 Well, the value is as an LLM or an AI provider, the more data you have, the better your answers are. 85 00:10:17.159 --> 00:10:24.720 And since most people nowadays who look at the answers coming from LLMs don't then click through the sources to actually go to the content. 86 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:28.860 You are cutting the value out from the people and create the content and create the websites. 87 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:39.000 And you are taking away the ability to stop you from getting to their data by ignoring robots.txt and basically trying to get around any blocks they put in place. 88 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:46.000 So, with that as the background, guess what, perplexity wants to be a browser. 89 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.000 Hence the offer to buy Google Chrome. 90 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:54.039 Oh, I see what you're saying because then they can say, "I'm legitimately the browser." 91 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.000 I'm just a browser. 92 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:57.000 And browsers, you want browsers to hit your website. 93 00:10:54.039 --> 00:11:00.519 Yeah, I don't know. 94 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:05.000 That seems tissue thin, tissue paper thin, really, when you think about it. 95 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:34.799 I think if the value of the company is providing answers and the answers are dependent on easy, easy to cheap access to data, and that data is trying to be stopped, then they can solve two problems, one, they can buy a browser, which according to the latest agreement with, or not an agreement, the latest ruling on the illegal monopoly says we may want you to cut off your browser and sell it off. 96 00:11:35.000 --> 00:12:05.000 Solves a problem for them by saying here's a browser, it's the number one browser in the world right now. The engine is used in other browsers, and so then you get the browser and you add your AI into it, problem solved. Because the price that they're offering is almost double the valuation of what Chrome is worth. Why would you do that? 97 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:08.639 I don't know. I struggled with it on a lot of levels too because you could leverage open source browsers and there's plenty of those and 98 00:12:09.500 --> 00:12:12.620 Well, they've already released their own browser, perplexity has. 99 00:12:11.139 --> 00:12:13.139 Yeah, mm-hmm 100 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:22.759 Yeah, other than you know now we're kind of going all the way back to the whole internet explorer kind of thing that the install base is so large and 101 00:12:23.000 --> 00:12:29.039 People aren't gonna bother to make it change your buy-in eyeballs because it's already deployed 102 00:12:29.279 --> 00:12:31.279 Right, that's that would be 103 00:12:30.500 --> 00:13:00.440 Yeah. And I'm a big, I'm a big anti fan of Chrome. I do not like Chrome at all, even though it's number one. And in my new role, I have to use Chrome. So I'm using all Google products all the way around. It's really rough. So I thought this was a really interesting story from when AI perspective, because the value to purpose. 104 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:38.000 where the value is and then you then you could gum up everything else. 105 00:12:44.500 --> 00:12:48.500 Yeah, that's it. That's got to be rough. 106 00:13:00.500 --> 00:13:01.980 Flexity is access to the data. 107 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:12.320 Yeah, and I think it's the install base too, like you're you're just saying that that if it's the number one browser and it's installed in so many other places making a bid 108 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:32.039 That's too extra valuation could be smart money because now you're so penetrated that you can build additional AI services around it Or and or you can capture data coming and going right you can say hey I want to continue to feed my AI. 109 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:47.759 large language model and, you know, I'm offering you this browser with all these incredible features and capabilities just let me kind of take a little peek as things are going back and forth, which which that could be interesting too for how people will begin to operate. 110 00:13:48.720 --> 00:14:01.080 So, so take it a peek at things. We were talking a little bit about this in the pre show here to about the blood oxygen feature that is in the in Apple Watch. 111 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:31.200 And this was a this was a story already a while ago and there were a number of different potential outcomes here about removing function from existing devices in the field kind of going back a little bit to the whole George Orwell 1984, you know, changes to the book you've already bought kind of, you know, notions and now the reinstatement, you know, now that the patent lawsuits look to have been concluded. 112 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:38.240 I can't remember whether or not it on my Apple Watch. If I had lost this or not lost it, I don't think I did. 113 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:43.440 So it was disabled on my Ultra 2 last year. 114 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:46.360 So the Ultra 2 had the same capabilities of the Ultra 1. 115 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.600 The Ultra 1 had the Blood Oxygen sensor on it. 116 00:14:49.600 --> 00:15:02.159 And so it was disabled due to the lawsuit and what Apple has done yesterday as we record on Friday. 117 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:07.799 This was released on Thursday, August 14th. 118 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:12.919 Is they have gotten around the agreement. 119 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:25.399 So I'm not exactly sure all the details that caused the patent fight between Massimo and Apple on the Blood Oxygen feature. 120 00:15:25.399 --> 00:15:37.279 But the net of it was that the Blood Oxygen feature and app on the watch was disabled. 121 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:51.519 What appears to have been is the app was disabled because with this release of iOS 18.6.1 I think it is, 122 00:15:51.519 --> 00:16:05.279 you can now get Blood Oxygen data in the health app on iOS for the devices that were in dispute, 123 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:07.059 which evidently were-- 124 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:12.200 what the 10, the 11, and the ultra-2. 125 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:14.240 It was really weird because when I looked at it, 126 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:20.519 my gut reaction, my first series 9, series 10, and ultra-2. 127 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:34.120 My initial reaction was, it's a little bit disingenuous because the ultra-1 is effectively the same watches the ultra-2, except in color, right? 128 00:16:34.120 --> 00:16:37.720 And so the fact that they enabled it on the ultra-2 129 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.799 to call out the ultra-1 was a little bit disingenuous. 130 00:16:40.799 --> 00:16:49.600 However, I did look in my ultra-1 and the app is working on that device. 131 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:53.200 It does not work on the ultra-2. 132 00:16:51.000 --> 00:17:10.839 So, interesting, interesting, yeah, I'm not seeing it as its own app, you know, on mine, and I know I'm up to date on all my patches and the like, but again, that sounds like it was just yesterday, and the ultra watch, yeah. 133 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:56.240 On the phone, on the phone itself, not on iOS. 134 00:17:08.500 --> 00:17:10.500 On your watch 135 00:17:11.500 --> 00:17:16.099 Yeah, so on the ultra two watch there is the blood oxygen app 136 00:17:16.940 --> 00:17:23.660 It's there, but when you try to launch it. It says the blood oxygen app is no longer available learn more in the health app on your phone 137 00:17:25.660 --> 00:17:34.400 And then if you go to the phone you have to go into the health app and you go into respiration or respiratory and then within there You'll see your your your values 138 00:17:30.500 --> 00:17:31.920 - Yeah, respiratory, yeah. 139 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:36.960 Huh, interesting. 140 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:44.140 Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of this kind of stuff. 141 00:17:44.140 --> 00:17:46.980 I mean, we talked about, you know, heated seats and cars. 142 00:17:46.980 --> 00:17:48.940 We've talked about a variety of things like this. 143 00:17:48.940 --> 00:17:52.180 And, you know, here's just one more. 144 00:17:52.180 --> 00:17:53.019 Interesting. 145 00:17:54.339 --> 00:18:00.420 Let's move along to this Mac story article about the set. 146 00:18:01.299 --> 00:18:04.759 application here about looking at different ways to 147 00:18:05.779 --> 00:18:07.779 consume your video and 148 00:18:08.500 --> 00:18:15.619 Images on your phone as opposed to just going through your general photos app looks looks like a VCR, right? 149 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:43.000 So, so, so I've been on the test flight of this for a couple of months now, so I was playing with it, and I was really, I chuckled when I saw Andy put this in our, our show for today. Hey, look at this collab I've seen, because I don't tend to talk about things I'm on test flight for until they're public. Right? So, so this is kind of a really neat app, because it does. 150 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:45.000 It's, it's a, 151 00:18:45.000 --> 00:19:14.000 a couple of weeks back I talked about long play. Do you remember that? Okay. Yeah. So, so long play as, as really helped me rediscover some of the records in, and I say records because I ripped most of these from LPs or long played records into my iOS music library and, you know, I found these, these albums that I haven't listened to in probably 10, 15 years and so I've been playing them and it's like, oh man, I got some good music. 152 00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:49.500 Yes, yeah, yeah 153 00:19:15.000 --> 00:19:35.000 So, what, what cassette does is it kind of does the same thing for your videos and it, it presents you with a library of video cassettes based off of the year. They were created based off of metadata in the video. 154 00:19:35.000 --> 00:19:45.000 And then yeah, you, you, you say play that one and it pops it into the VCR, gives you a display, you can zoom it up to full screen so you don't have to have the fake. 155 00:19:45.000 --> 00:20:05.000 TV look and, and it's, it's actually kind of cool. Again, I, I discovered videos I had forgotten I had in my, you know, I, I hate to ask, but does your, I, your photos library have more than 10,000 objects in it. 156 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:04.500 Oh, yes, I'm sure it does. 157 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:15.000 More than 15,000. Yeah, yeah, what I, what I looked at my mind somewhere between 15 and 20,000. 158 00:20:06.140 --> 00:20:10.579 Oh, I don't know how many, so, but I'm sure it has more than 10. 159 00:20:16.000 --> 00:20:30.000 Right. And so, because of the intake pictures of everything all the time, right. And, and I've also scanned in old physical photos as well as, you know, things that I only have the negatives of and converted those to pictures and stuff. 160 00:20:16.619 --> 00:20:18.619 Sure. 161 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:43.000 And yeah, it's, it's kind of cool because I discovered old videos that I had taken back on my Sony, what was the Sony Mavica, the, the camera that had the three and a half inch floppy disk in it. 162 00:20:38.500 --> 00:20:40.500 Mm-hmm 163 00:20:42.059 --> 00:20:44.059 Yeah 164 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.920 [laughing] 165 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:57.000 Which was awesome. Yeah, what a cool design, what a cool approach and similar to long play, what a great way to rediscover some stuff that you have in your content libraries. 166 00:20:56.500 --> 00:21:11.460 Yeah, did you notice in the article that the sample of views of this had two North Carolina and one England, London, England, locations? 167 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:19.500 I did not accept it doesn't surprise me because John Voor, he's the author of this article, is based in North Carolina. 168 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:20.460 Yeah. Right. So. 169 00:21:19.500 --> 00:21:31.500 And I know he works with Federico Vitecci and the other guy's over on one of the podcasts I listened to. 170 00:21:31.500 --> 00:21:38.500 Federico is an Italy, but they tend to do a lot of stuff in London because one of the guys is in England, so. 171 00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:44.380 Yeah, so I just thought that was kind of funny that two North Carolina one UK wonder where else we have something like that 172 00:21:42.500 --> 00:21:47.500 Yeah, I did not notice that it's not something that way I focused on. 173 00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:57.700 Well, did you focus on the see-through Game Boy and and the amount of work that who's it Natalie the nerd apparently who spent all this time in energy creating transparent 174 00:21:59.500 --> 00:22:03.819 Circuit boards in order to have a fully transparent all the way through Game Boy 175 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:11.400 Yeah, I thought this was really cool, and as soon as I read the article, I knew that you and Andy would like it 176 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.400 I never had a Game Boy 177 00:22:14.000 --> 00:22:20.799 Uh, they're missed now. Yep. 178 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:20.619 so But I I had thought I remembered that both you and Andy did 179 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:26.440 and so the nostalgia factor is is high with this one 180 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:34.839 The video games themselves are you know interesting and cool, but the the fact that it's completely see through I thought was just fascinating. 181 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:40.539 I mean, it's not it's it's funny because it's not like there's much to see on the inside once you've seen it 182 00:22:40.880 --> 00:22:45.400 There's one blinking light. I think on the top left. I guess it's the power button 183 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.279 Yeah, and it doesn't blink. It just stays on the whole time. But yeah, it's 184 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:49.519 Well, if it blinks you have problems, right? 185 00:22:50.359 --> 00:22:53.880 well, or low battery maybe. I don't I don't really remember 186 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:58.599 Yeah, yeah, but no, I thought this was just what a cool example of 187 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.920 makers creating something that that would resonate with a lot of people so very 188 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:10.599 Yeah, yeah, I love it. So to kind of round things out speaking of makers making things that resonate we we've talked about 189 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:22.039 Gosh, uh plotting things we've talked about some Lego building things and we have and you and I both thought we talked about this same 190 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:25.039 Concept a while ago. Yeah 191 00:23:23.500 --> 00:23:29.960 I know we talked about this guy because the example of the balls that's shown in the article, 192 00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:30.839 Yeah 193 00:23:29.960 --> 00:23:33.880 I know we talked about that one in detail. 194 00:23:33.880 --> 00:23:55.400 So it's pixel art, really cool, matter of fact, I think some of the very first things I ever did on a computer, probably before many of our listeners were alive, was pixel art on green bar paper. 195 00:23:53.500 --> 00:24:04.500 On an IBM 1430, I think it was at Berkeley, many, many years ago. 196 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:15.500 And this is just another really, really cool example of taking pixel art into the real world, 197 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:24.500 and I like wooden things, so woodworking and creating this thousand. 198 00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:30.500 One thousand square blocks of wood with sides being painted to create a pixel display. 199 00:24:31.500 --> 00:25:01.500 And to kind of round it right back to the beginning of our episode today one of the early iterations dealt with moving those balls around like is that Michael and that was done with a Lego wheel, so there you have it Lego's everywhere Lego bricks everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Alright, well that gets us to the end of this week's show so a little bit of a short one, but. 200 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:52.519 Legos all the way down, just like turtles. 201 00:24:58.500 --> 00:25:07.480 I thought we had one other story that was in the list on Scott Pilgrum's game. 202 00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:40.980 Oh, we did and we kind of zipped past that and that's my bad because I thought I had that to have that open in the right order. So, yeah, so the 203 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:20.480 I know, as a podcast, we all enjoyed Scott Pilgrum versus the world. 204 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:43.839 Yes, so this is a lovely story from Inverse, a love letter almost, to the Scott Pilgrim versus the World Game that has so many interesting references, not just to the comic book and not just to the movie, but also to a variety of other games. 205 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:49.960 And this particular story just talks about how well this game has. 206 00:25:50.000 --> 00:26:00.000 And that's how it has continued to resonate over the years, that it continues to have a great play and user experience to it. 207 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:18.000 And shoot, it kind of made me want to go ahead and pick it up for the Nintendo Switch that I have now in my possession, but I haven't done a lot of gaming on it recently, so that will be on my hit parade of things to get. 208 00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:19.920 as they, as they, what do they call it? 209 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:31.160 Um, I suppose this smash them up now, there was a special language ahead there for a fighting game that I thought was super delightful, but beat them up. A 2D beat them up. 210 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:42.500 Beat 'em up, 2D beat 'em up, yes, and given the pixelated look, I figured it would be something you would be interested in, because I know you like the 8-bit pixel, this is what's 16-bit? 211 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:43.380 Yeah, something like that. 212 00:26:45.500 --> 00:26:57.000 Very cool, yeah, I enjoy the movie, it's been a while since I've watched it, I might need to watch it again soon, and I don't have a switch. 213 00:26:58.000 --> 00:27:03.000 I haven't available for anything but the switch, like maybe on Steam. 214 00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:20.500 No, many other things, as I recall, lots of other things, and there's a new version, a sequel that's going to be coming out at some point called Scott Pilgrim EX, which is kind of an interesting piece of this article too. So if you like the first one, the first time, there is an opportunity for a second time here. 215 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:27.000 yeah, and given the boss battles and everything in the movie 216 00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:30.920 and kind of the whole love letter to gaming, 217 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:33.720 having a game actually come out of it back when it did. 218 00:27:33.720 --> 00:27:36.720 And I think this was released, what, in 2015 or something, 219 00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:44.839 is great to see in the fact that they've re-opted a couple of times and kept it alive is really kind of the crux of the story. 220 00:27:44.839 --> 00:27:45.920 So exciting. 221 00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:51.599 Yes, all right now we're ready to close so now we can do that 222 00:27:50.000 --> 00:27:51.839 Now we're ready to close. 223 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.039 Can't miss gaming. 224 00:27:53.039 --> 00:27:57.019 I mean, it's gamesatwork.biz. 225 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:11.200 So drop us a line to let us know what you're looking at what you're seeing is interesting We'd be delighted to incorporate it in our next show and who knows who knows you never know We might actually have all three co hosts together again very soon 226 00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:12.500 Who knows. 227 00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:18.000 There's rumors to that effect. 228 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:16.000 Yes, all right. 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