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CBB0AA31-EDC7-4963-9C94-5103FD969149: This is episode 525! See you through wooden pixels!
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0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. It's Friday. I'm Michael Rowe and I'm here talking tech and having fun with my friend and cohost Michael Martine. Michael, how are you?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Hey, Michael, doing great, although we're missing Andy this week, though this is a very strange show to have two Michaels and no Andy. How does that work out?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yep. I know, you know, we almost had a replacement Brit, but that didn't work out.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Well, there could be no replacement for Andy. You know, that's just how that works.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Well, Andy would be sad to know that we're going to start off this week's show with something that he would have loved to talk about and that is manufacturing with LEGO, he would have loved this. This text explorer article came from one of the two view, and from like Elgan, that talks about brick GPT and I was certain somewhere another we had something like this before about a large language model built on LEGO. Maybe it was LEGO LLM, I have to continue to look for this.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yes, yes, he would love it.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It could have been that. And they do talk about their leveraging another tool, right?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: They're using stable text to brick. Research generated stable text to brick is what they create coming into the brick GPT. So yeah, I don't know. It does sound so familiar,
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, exactly. Anyway, well, we'll see if we can find it but but
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: which is why as soon as I saw it from Mike Elgin, I was like,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: We've got to talk about this.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It's like so many of our hot buttons right now.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Lego, AI, robots, printing, the work.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So it would be ideal.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And I actually-- I was actually surprised.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I watched the video that they had attached to it.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And the example that they made was the worst Lego thing I've ever seen built.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: it was just almost like it was one brick-wide
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and like 10 bricks tall, not very exciting build, but yeah, the fact that they're able to have the models be generated using this LLM that knows how bricks work and then that they had robots that were precise and both strong and gentle enough at the same time.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: [laughing]
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Because if you press too hard, especially the way they were building, you could knock over the build.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Because it's like a tower. And if you don't press hard enough, then they won't stick.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: You might remember to the Bricked app that we've talked about before as well.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: That was cool because what you could do with that app is you took a picture of your pile of Lego bricks and then what can you build with it?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And it said, what can you build?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: The idea of saying, "Well, I want to build a double-daker couch."
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Cool.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: How might you do that and what would you include in that and how?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: You know, how might you now combine that with the bricks you already have and maybe the bricks you need and you could 3d print the ones that are missing. Right. So you can do all kinds of good fun stuff with this.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: So there was another one because Mike here and not that we're biased towards people and they Mike or Michael but he had another post as well on Mastodon dealing with an article on perplexing.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Looking to solve Google's problem by taking Chrome off their hands.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So this one, this one's a lot deeper than it may first imply and I was actually during my walk earlier this week, I was listening to Steve Gibson because there was another report that came out last week that perplexity was caught by level three doing everything possible to get around the robot style.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah. Exactly. Right. Including, including going to say, I am not a robot. And I'm clicking through the chat captures.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: This was on security now, and Steve Gibson is the key brain behind it, and Leo Lipport is kind of the host, and as host, he's a big fan of perplexity.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And I am too. I mean what I've used for
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: it's actually really good, perplexity is a, I'll call it an LLM aggregator, that will allow you to use many different models for prompting and it's actually really good and the experience that I had with it was it was pretty good getting around things like website capabilities that...
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: ...are intuitively designed to stop you from scraping them.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So I was working at a startup earlier in the year and we had a tool and our back end was using an API called ScrapingB that allows you to scrape content from a website for the usage of including another API's. Let's put it that way.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Um, and we found it was less than reliable mainly.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: For all the right reasons, rights sites don't want to be scraped and they were saying don't scrape me and you're an API and you're supposed to be at a server level adhering to the rules of the site you're going to.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Um, and so a lot of times, uh, some of the tools that people were using us for work to like give me a list of potential customers by looking at relationships on LinkedIn.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: As an example and, uh, scraping B with.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It was failing miserably or it would only give you like five rows of data, which is not a good way of doing a lot of deep deep analysis.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Uh, and so we would run some tests and say well if I put this exact same prompt into perplexity and perplexity would come back with like a hundred and five rows of data.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Uh, so it's like whoa, that's pretty good.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Hmm
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Uh, and so from that perspective perplexity was really, really good.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Do you remember how it was doing that and what what the difference was there? I mean it
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and Steve. Well...
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So that was the interesting part of the discussion last week from Steve Gibson.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Okay, so the...
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I'll call it the...
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: The polite agreement amongst the Internet is if you have a file in the root of the directory on your server called robot.txt.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: You can say which parts of your site can be crawled and which parts of your site cannot be crawled.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: basically saying The task of the agreement of the web is search engines provide value to me as a website host or creator and so I'm going to give you some of value to to web crawlers
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Do you remember web crawler the actual search engine called web crawler right Google all to Vista all those guys, right?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Long time ago, yeah
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and They would then prevent present that data to a user who to get the details would click through to come to your site and your ads that you're hosting in your site pay for all of it
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: That's that's how the Internet works for the most part
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Then there were some of you going on so a lot of people started putting up paywalls
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Right, and so you can't get to the content without going to the paywall well
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: what it appears to be is that
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: perplexity according to the analysis done by L3 with level three, which is a
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Hosting provider. They do DNS services, etc
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: the
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Visity tool would hit the site
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: correctly and Basically say hey, I'm perplexity. I'm an API. I'm looking for this data on the site and the site was a no-no-no
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: You're real. I'm real. That's not text. Please don't scrape me for that reasons or and this is where it got dirty
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: The customers who are using level three were going in and saying I'm putting rules in place on my server
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: to actually look at the header on the transaction to say, "You're a bot, you're perplexity,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: you are not allowed to hit my site. I will drop the message, I'll ignore it, etc."
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And so what was happening was as soon as that came in, perplexity then would start coming from lots of different IP addresses and changing their header from being perplexity to, "I'm so far on Mac or.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I'm just a Chrome browser and saying it was a web browser, not an agent, not an API.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: In order to get around the rules, so.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Why would you do that?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Well, the value is as an LLM or an AI provider, the more data you have, the better your answers are.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And since most people nowadays who look at the answers coming from LLMs don't then click through the sources to actually go to the content.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: You are cutting the value out from the people and create the content and create the websites.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And you are taking away the ability to stop you from getting to their data by ignoring robots.txt and basically trying to get around any blocks they put in place.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So, with that as the background, guess what, perplexity wants to be a browser.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Hence the offer to buy Google Chrome.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Oh, I see what you're saying because then they can say, "I'm legitimately the browser."
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I'm just a browser.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And browsers, you want browsers to hit your website.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, I don't know.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: That seems tissue thin, tissue paper thin, really, when you think about it.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I think if the value of the company is providing answers and the answers are dependent on easy, easy to cheap access to data, and that data is trying to be stopped, then they can solve two problems, one, they can buy a browser, which according to the latest agreement with, or not an agreement, the latest ruling on the illegal monopoly says we may want you to cut off your browser and sell it off.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Solves a problem for them by saying here's a browser, it's the number one browser in the world right now. The engine is used in other browsers, and so then you get the browser and you add your AI into it, problem solved. Because the price that they're offering is almost double the valuation of what Chrome is worth. Why would you do that?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: I don't know. I struggled with it on a lot of levels too because you could leverage open source browsers and there's plenty of those and
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Well, they've already released their own browser, perplexity has.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, mm-hmm
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, other than you know now we're kind of going all the way back to the whole internet explorer kind of thing that the install base is so large and
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: People aren't gonna bother to make it change your buy-in eyeballs because it's already deployed
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Right, that's that would be
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yeah. And I'm a big, I'm a big anti fan of Chrome. I do not like Chrome at all, even though it's number one. And in my new role, I have to use Chrome. So I'm using all Google products all the way around. It's really rough. So I thought this was a really interesting story from when AI perspective, because the value to purpose.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: where the value is and then you then you could gum up everything else.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, that's it. That's got to be rough.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Flexity is access to the data.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, and I think it's the install base too, like you're you're just saying that that if it's the number one browser and it's installed in so many other places making a bid
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: That's too extra valuation could be smart money because now you're so penetrated that you can build additional AI services around it Or and or you can capture data coming and going right you can say hey I want to continue to feed my AI.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: large language model and, you know, I'm offering you this browser with all these incredible features and capabilities just let me kind of take a little peek as things are going back and forth, which which that could be interesting too for how people will begin to operate.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: So, so take it a peek at things. We were talking a little bit about this in the pre show here to about the blood oxygen feature that is in the in Apple Watch.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And this was a this was a story already a while ago and there were a number of different potential outcomes here about removing function from existing devices in the field kind of going back a little bit to the whole George Orwell 1984, you know, changes to the book you've already bought kind of, you know, notions and now the reinstatement, you know, now that the patent lawsuits look to have been concluded.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: I can't remember whether or not it on my Apple Watch. If I had lost this or not lost it, I don't think I did.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So it was disabled on my Ultra 2 last year.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So the Ultra 2 had the same capabilities of the Ultra 1.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: The Ultra 1 had the Blood Oxygen sensor on it.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And so it was disabled due to the lawsuit and what Apple has done yesterday as we record on Friday.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: This was released on Thursday, August 14th.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Is they have gotten around the agreement.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So I'm not exactly sure all the details that caused the patent fight between Massimo and Apple on the Blood Oxygen feature.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: But the net of it was that the Blood Oxygen feature and app on the watch was disabled.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: What appears to have been is the app was disabled because with this release of iOS 18.6.1 I think it is,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: you can now get Blood Oxygen data in the health app on iOS for the devices that were in dispute,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: which evidently were--
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: what the 10, the 11, and the ultra-2.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It was really weird because when I looked at it,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: my gut reaction, my first series 9, series 10, and ultra-2.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: My initial reaction was, it's a little bit disingenuous because the ultra-1 is effectively the same watches the ultra-2, except in color, right?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And so the fact that they enabled it on the ultra-2
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: to call out the ultra-1 was a little bit disingenuous.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: However, I did look in my ultra-1 and the app is working on that device.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It does not work on the ultra-2.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: So, interesting, interesting, yeah, I'm not seeing it as its own app, you know, on mine, and I know I'm up to date on all my patches and the like, but again, that sounds like it was just yesterday, and the ultra watch, yeah.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: On the phone, on the phone itself, not on iOS.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: On your watch
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yeah, so on the ultra two watch there is the blood oxygen app
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It's there, but when you try to launch it. It says the blood oxygen app is no longer available learn more in the health app on your phone
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And then if you go to the phone you have to go into the health app and you go into respiration or respiratory and then within there You'll see your your your values
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: - Yeah, respiratory, yeah.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Huh, interesting.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of this kind of stuff.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: I mean, we talked about, you know, heated seats and cars.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: We've talked about a variety of things like this.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And, you know, here's just one more.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Interesting.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Let's move along to this Mac story article about the set.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: application here about looking at different ways to
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: consume your video and
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Images on your phone as opposed to just going through your general photos app looks looks like a VCR, right?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So, so, so I've been on the test flight of this for a couple of months now, so I was playing with it, and I was really, I chuckled when I saw Andy put this in our, our show for today. Hey, look at this collab I've seen, because I don't tend to talk about things I'm on test flight for until they're public. Right? So, so this is kind of a really neat app, because it does.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: It's, it's a,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: a couple of weeks back I talked about long play. Do you remember that? Okay. Yeah. So, so long play as, as really helped me rediscover some of the records in, and I say records because I ripped most of these from LPs or long played records into my iOS music library and, you know, I found these, these albums that I haven't listened to in probably 10, 15 years and so I've been playing them and it's like, oh man, I got some good music.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yes, yeah, yeah
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So, what, what cassette does is it kind of does the same thing for your videos and it, it presents you with a library of video cassettes based off of the year. They were created based off of metadata in the video.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And then yeah, you, you, you say play that one and it pops it into the VCR, gives you a display, you can zoom it up to full screen so you don't have to have the fake.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: TV look and, and it's, it's actually kind of cool. Again, I, I discovered videos I had forgotten I had in my, you know, I, I hate to ask, but does your, I, your photos library have more than 10,000 objects in it.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Oh, yes, I'm sure it does.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: More than 15,000. Yeah, yeah, what I, what I looked at my mind somewhere between 15 and 20,000.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Oh, I don't know how many, so, but I'm sure it has more than 10.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Right. And so, because of the intake pictures of everything all the time, right. And, and I've also scanned in old physical photos as well as, you know, things that I only have the negatives of and converted those to pictures and stuff.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Sure.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And yeah, it's, it's kind of cool because I discovered old videos that I had taken back on my Sony, what was the Sony Mavica, the, the camera that had the three and a half inch floppy disk in it.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Mm-hmm
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: [laughing]
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Which was awesome. Yeah, what a cool design, what a cool approach and similar to long play, what a great way to rediscover some stuff that you have in your content libraries.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, did you notice in the article that the sample of views of this had two North Carolina and one England, London, England, locations?
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I did not accept it doesn't surprise me because John Voor, he's the author of this article, is based in North Carolina.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah. Right. So.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And I know he works with Federico Vitecci and the other guy's over on one of the podcasts I listened to.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Federico is an Italy, but they tend to do a lot of stuff in London because one of the guys is in England, so.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, so I just thought that was kind of funny that two North Carolina one UK wonder where else we have something like that
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yeah, I did not notice that it's not something that way I focused on.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Well, did you focus on the see-through Game Boy and and the amount of work that who's it Natalie the nerd apparently who spent all this time in energy creating transparent
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Circuit boards in order to have a fully transparent all the way through Game Boy
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yeah, I thought this was really cool, and as soon as I read the article, I knew that you and Andy would like it
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I never had a Game Boy
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Uh, they're missed now. Yep.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: so But I I had thought I remembered that both you and Andy did
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and so the nostalgia factor is is high with this one
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: The video games themselves are you know interesting and cool, but the the fact that it's completely see through I thought was just fascinating.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I mean, it's not it's it's funny because it's not like there's much to see on the inside once you've seen it
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: There's one blinking light. I think on the top left. I guess it's the power button
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, and it doesn't blink. It just stays on the whole time. But yeah, it's
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Well, if it blinks you have problems, right?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: well, or low battery maybe. I don't I don't really remember
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Yeah, yeah, but no, I thought this was just what a cool example of
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: makers creating something that that would resonate with a lot of people so very
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, yeah, I love it. So to kind of round things out speaking of makers making things that resonate we we've talked about
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Gosh, uh plotting things we've talked about some Lego building things and we have and you and I both thought we talked about this same
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Concept a while ago. Yeah
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I know we talked about this guy because the example of the balls that's shown in the article,
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I know we talked about that one in detail.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So it's pixel art, really cool, matter of fact, I think some of the very first things I ever did on a computer, probably before many of our listeners were alive, was pixel art on green bar paper.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: On an IBM 1430, I think it was at Berkeley, many, many years ago.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And this is just another really, really cool example of taking pixel art into the real world,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and I like wooden things, so woodworking and creating this thousand.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: One thousand square blocks of wood with sides being painted to create a pixel display.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And to kind of round it right back to the beginning of our episode today one of the early iterations dealt with moving those balls around like is that Michael and that was done with a Lego wheel, so there you have it Lego's everywhere Lego bricks everywhere. Yeah, exactly. Alright, well that gets us to the end of this week's show so a little bit of a short one, but.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Legos all the way down, just like turtles.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I thought we had one other story that was in the list on Scott Pilgrum's game.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Oh, we did and we kind of zipped past that and that's my bad because I thought I had that to have that open in the right order. So, yeah, so the
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I know, as a podcast, we all enjoyed Scott Pilgrum versus the world.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yes, so this is a lovely story from Inverse, a love letter almost, to the Scott Pilgrim versus the World Game that has so many interesting references, not just to the comic book and not just to the movie, but also to a variety of other games.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And this particular story just talks about how well this game has.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And that's how it has continued to resonate over the years, that it continues to have a great play and user experience to it.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: And shoot, it kind of made me want to go ahead and pick it up for the Nintendo Switch that I have now in my possession, but I haven't done a lot of gaming on it recently, so that will be on my hit parade of things to get.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: as they, as they, what do they call it?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Um, I suppose this smash them up now, there was a special language ahead there for a fighting game that I thought was super delightful, but beat them up. A 2D beat them up.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Beat 'em up, 2D beat 'em up, yes, and given the pixelated look, I figured it would be something you would be interested in, because I know you like the 8-bit pixel, this is what's 16-bit?
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yeah, something like that.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Very cool, yeah, I enjoy the movie, it's been a while since I've watched it, I might need to watch it again soon, and I don't have a switch.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: I haven't available for anything but the switch, like maybe on Steam.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: No, many other things, as I recall, lots of other things, and there's a new version, a sequel that's going to be coming out at some point called Scott Pilgrim EX, which is kind of an interesting piece of this article too. So if you like the first one, the first time, there is an opportunity for a second time here.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: yeah, and given the boss battles and everything in the movie
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: and kind of the whole love letter to gaming,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: having a game actually come out of it back when it did.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: And I think this was released, what, in 2015 or something,
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: is great to see in the fact that they've re-opted a couple of times and kept it alive is really kind of the crux of the story.
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: So exciting.
01A62957-9693-4B8A-9B68-8C96471E5B9E: Yes, all right now we're ready to close so now we can do that
0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: Now we're ready to close.
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0F2109A9-73E3-47D9-BDB8-D60845CB2384: There's rumors to that effect.
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