WEBVTT STYLE ::cue(v[voice="6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE"]) { color: #00C0E8; } ::cue(v[voice="78DBC2CF-6CBD-44E1-80EA-4B9A0883B832"]) { color: #CB30E0; } ::cue(v[voice="0DC97C8A-FB0A-4862-B0D6-9AD2F44F9B5E"]) { color: #CB30E0; } ::cue(v[voice="F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E"]) { color: #0088FF; } 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:20.000 [Music] 2 00:00:10.500 --> 00:00:15.800 This is GamesItWork.biz, your weekly podcast about gaming, technology, and play. 3 00:00:15.800 --> 00:00:19.199 Your hosts are Michael Martine, Andy Piper, and Michael Rowe. 4 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.800 The thoughts and opinions on this podcast are those of the hosts and guests alone, 5 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:28.500 and are not the opinions of any organization which they have been, are or may be, affiliated with. 6 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:37.500 This is Episode 541, Invisible Llamas. 7 00:00:38.500 --> 00:00:41.079 [upbeat music] 8 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:52.039 Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Michael Rowe here in the frigid tundra of North Carolina. 9 00:00:52.039 --> 00:00:59.560 As we've had, you know, temperature in the 30s all week and nighttime temperatures like really frickin' cold. 10 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:03.399 How cold is it in your neck of the woods? Michael Marti? 11 00:01:03.500 --> 00:01:09.599 That also about freezing right now, and yeah, we've had some really low temps here. 12 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:24.219 It was not low enough to wear the Celsius in Fahrenheit scales converge, but we're getting ready for some more ice and snow and good fun stuff. 13 00:01:18.500 --> 00:01:24.019 we didn't yeah we didn't cross that stream huh those streams were not crossed at minus 40 14 00:01:24.219 --> 00:01:25.219 It's minus 40. 15 00:01:25.219 --> 00:01:26.219 Yeah, exactly. 16 00:01:26.219 --> 00:01:28.500 I've been in minus 40 before, and that is cold. 17 00:01:27.460 --> 00:01:30.099 me too once it was cold is real cold 18 00:01:28.500 --> 00:01:29.500 That is cold. 19 00:01:29.500 --> 00:01:30.500 It is really cold. 20 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:44.500 know what's really called is all the cool stories that we've got for you here on this edition. And Michael, you're going to kick us off with a couple of things. We had a follow up that like we found or you found like right as we were recording. Right. 21 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:47.439 Yeah, we were talking about this briefly last week. 22 00:01:47.439 --> 00:02:02.519 It was an article about someone not quite claiming they were running Claude locally, but that this article would help you set it up so you could load Claude locally. 23 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:06.280 And we were going to take the week and test it out, set it up. 24 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:07.920 And really, as I read through the article, 25 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:11.079 it's like, well, it's not really about fully setting up locally. 26 00:02:11.079 --> 00:02:12.979 So that's interesting. 27 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:25.000 What they do, but what this led me down the path of, was looking at other really cool local development models, using large language models. 28 00:02:25.000 --> 00:02:30.000 And we've talked about it in the past many times about running Olama. 29 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:36.000 And I've got this app that I've been working on in my copious free time. 30 00:02:36.000 --> 00:02:39.000 And it's just turned into spaghetti, right? 31 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:42.920 Right, the code is just really bad. 32 00:02:39.500 --> 00:02:41.759 [laughing] 33 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:51.000 And so I decided this week I was going to do some refactoring and try to clean it up, tighten it up, make it a little bit easier to maintain, etc. 34 00:02:51.000 --> 00:03:03.000 And I found a olamma repository called gpt-os/cloud-code-32k. 35 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:07.000 And this is a local LLM. 36 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:13.000 I think it's an eight billion parameters. 37 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:31.000 I'm running that locally, and I took one of my source modules that had gotten really out of control. 38 00:03:18.500 --> 00:03:21.000 Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah, right. 39 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:40.000 And I said, "Hey, here's my code, dumped it in, help me refactor this for ease of maintenance and understanding." 40 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.000 and it did a frick. 41 00:03:43.000 --> 00:04:12.000 fantastic job, understanding swift six, so all the concurrency stuff, it understood swift data, which a lot of the model seems to struggle with, and probably within an hour I was able to take this, I think it was 2000 something line source module that I had worked on over the last year and I have just kind of screwing around, refactor it into 42 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:22.000 a few model controller, three different views, four different helper classes, etc. 43 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:38.000 Now it's tight, it's clean, it's easy to maintain, did a CICD build on Xcode Cloud, deployed it to my devices, and everything is still working exactly the same as before, and actually I feel it's a little faster. 44 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:48.000 I feel that, and so I said, well, what are other ways that I can refactor code? Because this code base is pretty complex. 45 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:59.000 And I was listening to security now this week. And Steve Gibson said, this isn't the end. I'll be all, but it's one that he started looking at called Trey AI. 46 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:10.000 So T-R-A-E-D-A-I, or Treyya, which is supposed to also handle, kind of, 47 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:13.000 most of the processing happening locally on your mission. 48 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:18.000 So a little bit safer, a little bit more secure, not going to leak your code. 49 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Now, does it do all that? I'm not sure. This is the free version. 50 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Downloaded that took the second module in my code base. 51 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:32.000 That is also very ugly and confusing and said, "Okay, Trey, 52 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:35.000 look at this, help me refactor it." 53 00:05:35.000 --> 00:05:41.000 And because it's now its own IDE, it looks like it's just using a version of VS Code kind of skinned. 54 00:05:41.000 --> 00:06:11.000 And it 55 00:05:43.000 --> 00:06:00.040 went through that one and did another fantastic job of not only looking at that module, but now since I was doing it in the IDE instead of just a chat window, it looked at the rest of the code base and said, ah, I see you've got some duplicate code in this module and that one over there. 56 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:02.439 Let me refactor that out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 57 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:08.759 And probably out two hours after that, I now had the two most complex parts of my app refactored. 58 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:12.899 So three hours of work, major refactoring. 59 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:21.680 Now, Traia, on the other hand, wasn't perfect with understanding Swift and everything. 60 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:27.180 So I did get a couple of things messed up, things that I was expecting that most AIs do, 61 00:06:27.180 --> 00:06:29.759 and I manually went in and fixed those problems. 62 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.000 But yeah, I'm pretty impressed. 63 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.199 This is getting scary good. 64 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:40.600 And local with Olama, mostly local with Traia. 65 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:43.000 who knows what you can do with Claude eventually with that. 66 00:06:46.500 --> 00:06:54.339 Wow, very very very very interesting and you know it's it's funny I was just looking in a llama right now to see if I could find that 67 00:06:54.860 --> 00:06:59.360 Claude code example so I didn't run the the code that you had there. I was like 68 00:06:57.000 --> 00:07:01.480 Yep, well you need that whole string that I put in our show notes. 69 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:05.319 Yes, yes, yes, and so you'll find that in our show notes and again your mileage may vary 70 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:14.540 You take on board all the risks of executing code on anything So, you know, please, you know, don't write it some hate mail later for this sort of stuff 71 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:23.500 But the point I was on was that Alama itself didn't have this as part of the drop down menu that you can say, hey, go grab this and bring it down. 72 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:27.740 No, I only run Olamo from the command prompt. I never runings. I have a gooey in front of it 73 00:07:23.500 --> 00:07:24.500 Right. 74 00:07:24.500 --> 00:07:28.860 Ah, okay. 75 00:07:29.899 --> 00:07:31.920 So if you run Olamo run 76 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:36.120 Slickroom slash bla bla bla bla colon latest 77 00:07:36.500 --> 00:07:38.500 Yes, yes, so 78 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:39.720 It'll it'll pull it in 79 00:07:38.899 --> 00:07:49.779 So it'll it'll move in that direction All right, so because I did a little bit of that no now my machine is also now misbehaving because it's like trying to find stuff that doesn't exist 80 00:07:49.500 --> 00:07:53.500 Oh, it's 10 gigs of download. You're about to hit if you find it. 81 00:07:52.379 --> 00:07:58.220 Yeah, yeah, so I was just like hey, oh, mama go go find this and it's like I don't know what to do 82 00:07:57.500 --> 00:07:59.500 Okay. 83 00:07:58.660 --> 00:08:06.459 but but The article that I dropped in the links here for us for to talk about is about a company 84 00:08:06.500 --> 00:08:10.660 called humans and they're particular 85 00:08:12.019 --> 00:08:29.620 notion for reality here and and and again, it's super funny because I can't see it anymore my screen for that It's completely blank Is that this is a group of people that are looking to do what it seemed like the AI pins were doing to be really a collaborative 86 00:08:17.500 --> 00:08:19.579 [laughing] 87 00:08:30.339 --> 00:08:32.340 partner to help you 88 00:08:33.620 --> 00:08:36.519 in terms of a real assistant. 89 00:08:36.500 --> 00:08:47.779 And I was intrigued by this because it seems like there's one of these after the other. 90 00:08:47.779 --> 00:09:06.460 There's been plenty of stories about other pins that are starting to show up on the radar for having AI capabilities in one way or another, and on top of all this, I was also really and treat by all the clawed bot, malt bot, and the varying things around. 91 00:09:06.500 --> 00:09:20.500 That, even though they're running locally on a machine, still, if you're not careful, can have all kinds of security vulnerabilities that you really need to pay attention to, and spend some time to do the right things. 92 00:09:20.500 --> 00:09:35.500 So, you know, in a wild west situation right now, in so many different ways of these models becoming available, for people to be able to use them, and then for how do you interact with them? 93 00:09:36.500 --> 00:09:51.500 And my personal feeling is the chat experience feels, again, like a bit of an unnatural sort of call-and-response notion about how a human being is operating with an environment. 94 00:09:51.500 --> 00:10:06.500 That will have to be a lot more natural in the future. And in your situation, Michael, you were looking at, "Hey, can I refactor this code?" Well, you know, that was a command that you explicitly wanted to give that permission for those lines of code. 95 00:10:06.500 --> 00:10:36.500 If you crack at it, do the best you can, come back, find some problems with the Swift programming languages you said, and you could fix that human in the loop. Check, check, check, right? But we're going to find ourselves in very rapidly when you say, "Hey, go fix my calendar and make room for the meeting I need to have with Michael," or, "Go read my email and respond to everybody who's asking me crazy questions that you should be able to respond to because you know enough about my email." Yikes. There's a bit of a yikes there. 96 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:49.860 I'll give you a yikes, so at work my current company uses a lot of Google products, and as people who listen to the show know I'm not a huge fan of them, Google that is, Google products. 97 00:10:49.860 --> 00:11:03.960 And one of the things we use is Gmail, so we use Google Calendar, and everybody seems to use this one add-on called clockwork, and what clockwork does is 98 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:17.759 it is, you can set up to automatically block time on your calendar, so you have chunks of think time, and it will, if you let it, if you let it, it will move meetings around for you to give you that chunk of think time. 99 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:12.000 Ooh. Nice. 100 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:24.000 Ooh, so if you run clockwork and I run clockwork, our clockwork can clock out with one another, right? 101 00:11:23.500 --> 00:11:28.500 Yes, and so I use it to block time, 102 00:11:29.500 --> 00:11:33.500 but I didn't realize I had left on the OneChat box, 103 00:11:33.000 --> 00:11:42.200 Whoopsie. Yikes. 104 00:11:33.500 --> 00:11:36.500 and I have a standing meeting with my manager once a week, 105 00:11:36.500 --> 00:11:38.500 and we do a lot of working meetings, 106 00:11:38.500 --> 00:11:41.500 and it kept flopping around on me. 107 00:11:43.500 --> 00:11:45.500 And it's like, wait a minute, no, 108 00:11:45.500 --> 00:11:48.500 I don't want to have this meeting move around on me, 109 00:11:48.500 --> 00:11:50.500 because I want to be prepared, right? 110 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:52.500 Surprise me with your manager 111 00:11:50.500 --> 00:11:53.440 And so, so your point about the AG-- 112 00:11:53.740 --> 00:12:00.299 a Gentic AI doing stuff for you automatically without the human in the middle that yeah, I I don't like that 113 00:12:01.179 --> 00:12:08.840 And you're right I think we're fast getting there with lots of individual tools and when you start putting all of those tools together 114 00:12:09.620 --> 00:12:12.580 It's gonna get really messy and you you mentioned 115 00:12:13.059 --> 00:12:20.659 Multbot I think it is and we had a link for the show that came in late that I threw in our show notes 116 00:12:20.740 --> 00:12:23.419 which is a great article review. 117 00:12:23.500 --> 00:12:47.600 It's long, not enough time for the show, but it's really interesting, kind of the perspective there, and I go back to the point you made, the point that we've been making for a long time is you can't just trust this stuff. 118 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:27.600 - Oh, cool. 119 00:12:47.500 --> 00:12:48.659 What's gonna hallucinate? 120 00:12:47.600 --> 00:12:53.539 The best example I ever heard, it's going to be wrong. 121 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:49.740 It's gonna hallucinate. 122 00:12:53.500 --> 00:13:00.379 The best example I heard recently was in an interview and a CEO of company and he was saying, 123 00:13:00.379 --> 00:13:05.919 you know, people are worried that you'll only hire senior people and will lose the entry point. 124 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:19.639 And it's like, no, no, you can't do that because the reason, even if the code generates automatically, you can't just trust it implicitly, you need to have people who check. 125 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.360 You need to have people who learn and in the past you figured out the problem. 126 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:33.500 Then you coded it. Now you might vibe the code. Then you have to figure out what it did in order to validate it. 127 00:13:33.500 --> 00:13:40.500 So it kind of flips it on its head and so that ends up being how you train the next generation of developers. 128 00:13:40.500 --> 00:13:43.500 Not that you're just going to go away because you're going to vibe everything. 129 00:13:43.500 --> 00:13:52.500 No, you still have to have the human in the loop and understand what the hell's going on and actually validate that your business process is still accurate and right. 130 00:13:53.500 --> 00:13:59.500 It actually does what you asked it to do and not making up stuff. So yeah. 131 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:04.799 Wow, wow, so if you were to hire people and have them comment the code from a human perspective on top 132 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:12.320 You can actually use that then to train the model to get better the next time as you're training the human to find out, you know, what was done? 133 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:16.720 And everybody lifts up. You're not going to get rid of the developers. 134 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:21.399 Yeah No, and he shouldn't and you still need all those basics. I mean that that is ultra critical 135 00:14:18.419 --> 00:14:19.419 No. 136 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.559 AI is not creative. 137 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:26.480 Yeah 138 00:14:25.559 --> 00:14:35.000 Maybe when it's hallucinating, it might be creative, but you still, yeah, but you still need humans to kind of put the reality check. 139 00:14:28.360 --> 00:14:30.360 You tune it up a notch 140 00:14:34.840 --> 00:14:41.960 All right, so let's shift gears a little bit to so what some humans have done because we have a few examples of this and 141 00:14:42.759 --> 00:14:57.559 One of them from Tom's hardware, and so this was found by Andy R co-host who's not with us today He's got a few other things going on Was a modification of a gaming system that required you to insert a quarter 142 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.019 To play the game and I love this too. I loved it 143 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:27.879 I love this. Outstanding. Of course, the interesting part from one perspective is actually how he did all of this. What I do find interesting is you remember gauntlet. Valkyries shot the food. 144 00:15:21.500 --> 00:15:26.220 Do I remember gauntlet are you kidding me when it when I could play it with 145 00:15:26.940 --> 00:15:38.519 When I don't have to put quarters in it, which is something I experienced a couple about a month and change ago I played the thing for like three hours straight. It was great. Oh, I'm dead add more quarters 146 00:15:38.000 --> 00:16:07.960 Yeah. Yeah, so it was on Steam all back and I bought it and I was trying to get everybody to play. And it actually was, it was great to play, but it wasn't as fun feeding the quarters in, yeah, there was no, there was, the fun part was you had to pay attention and really make sure, right, that you weren't just dumping quarters. It's like, if you had infinite well think it anything you want. 147 00:15:51.500 --> 00:15:56.860 Because you weren't watching your money disappear. That's the fun part, right? 148 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:35.000 Then everything kind of loses a little bit of its value, so but I love this idea and I'd really like to see and I didn't catch if it was just to start a game or if it could be set up to do the gauntlet model of, you know, timer-based games or you're slowly losing energy until you've got to put it in, keep feeding the beast. 149 00:16:10.500 --> 00:16:13.000 Ooh, mmm, mmm, mmm, yep, yep. 150 00:16:31.500 --> 00:16:33.500 yep 151 00:16:33.820 --> 00:16:40.299 No, this is this is good stuff and for those who have never experienced this because there's a lot of people who have it 152 00:16:40.740 --> 00:16:44.080 That level of oh, I'm so close and 153 00:16:46.899 --> 00:16:50.740 I would really like a pizza pizza after this, but I'm so close 154 00:16:51.000 --> 00:16:56.759 Yes, but I'm so close and if I put this quarter in, I can't afford my piece of pizza. 155 00:16:55.500 --> 00:17:01.340 And and and you you're watching the time go nine eight seven. You're like oh, okay 156 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:01.879 Eight. Yep. 157 00:17:01.500 --> 00:17:05.339 Whatever, yes, so microtransactions old school 158 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:08.839 Old-school microtransactions. Yep. 159 00:17:07.259 --> 00:17:14.720 Now now we also came up with another interesting thing which was a variation of an umbrella and 160 00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:30.660 This was something that I love the video for this because the the notion is you know Can you reimagine an umbrella where if you're crayoring your groceries to your house or your car or your apartment or from the store? 161 00:17:31.819 --> 00:17:33.819 oftentimes you got a lot of groceries and 162 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:44.500 It's hard to hold the umbrella and not get everything wet and drop the bag and then you'll have the classic movie thing So this particular example is a quadcopter that is 163 00:17:45.339 --> 00:17:55.819 Tracking you as you walk and providing you with shelter So you can walk or skip or jump or run whichever way you want and that quadcopter is going to keep you nice and dry 164 00:17:57.500 --> 00:17:59.920 I thought this was really cool. 165 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:01.279 There's two key things. 166 00:18:01.279 --> 00:18:06.039 And one, the quadcopter is doing it all on device, right? 167 00:18:01.500 --> 00:18:03.500 Yeah 168 00:18:06.039 --> 00:18:10.039 So it's not sending the data to do tracking information. 169 00:18:10.039 --> 00:18:12.079 So it's all on device, great. 170 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:16.119 The second thing I saw as the guy was demoing it is, 171 00:18:16.119 --> 00:18:19.880 you need a faster processor because there was a bit of lag. 172 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:20.000 Yes. 173 00:18:19.880 --> 00:18:23.039 And if you've ever been a gamer on a Twitch game, right, 174 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:25.599 like a first-person shooter, lag kills. 175 00:18:25.599 --> 00:18:27.200 And with rain. 176 00:18:27.500 --> 00:18:35.500 And then you have to get the cool umbrella that the lady and her little kid has at the bottom of the article. 177 00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:39.180 Yeah, that's not the exact kind of umbrella. 178 00:18:35.500 --> 00:18:43.500 [Laughter] 179 00:18:39.180 --> 00:18:41.099 That's just a weird collar, you know. 180 00:18:41.099 --> 00:18:44.799 So this was from MIT. 181 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:45.500 Yep. 182 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:55.700 I loved also the fact that he was considering adding what he called aimbots to a bone arrow or building a working light stick out of Lego. 183 00:18:45.500 --> 00:18:46.500 I loved it. 184 00:18:55.700 --> 00:19:00.299 So he's got other ideas that he wants to consider here too. 185 00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:04.019 Yeah, now but this is really cool. I I really like the 186 00:19:00.299 --> 00:19:01.099 So cool stuff. 187 00:19:05.500 --> 00:19:09.740 Now I see that we skipped one article and that didn't mean to. 188 00:19:09.740 --> 00:19:14.059 And that was that hacker news article about discovering games from hacker news. 189 00:19:14.059 --> 00:19:15.940 And that was the one I think that Andy shared too. 190 00:19:15.940 --> 00:19:17.460 And I browsed a little bit. 191 00:19:17.460 --> 00:19:20.579 And of course, I selected a game that didn't work on a mobile device. 192 00:19:20.579 --> 00:19:22.220 So I didn't do much with it. 193 00:19:22.220 --> 00:19:24.180 But there's plenty of games here. 194 00:19:24.180 --> 00:19:32.500 And you can find them by name or genre or whatever you're kind of interested in and give them a shot. 195 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:34.460 So take a look. 196 00:19:34.460 --> 00:19:35.460 >> All right, last in the. 197 00:19:35.500 --> 00:19:51.500 You know, did his thing. 198 00:19:51.500 --> 00:19:53.500 There's a way to go about it. 199 00:19:54.500 --> 00:19:59.380 Yeah, this actually, the funny thing is, when this article came across my feed, I was like, 200 00:19:59.380 --> 00:20:07.940 "God, didn't we talk about the guy at Duke working on the invisibility cloak about three or four years ago, maybe even five years ago, maybe even longer than that?" 201 00:20:02.500 --> 00:20:03.339 Yup. 202 00:20:05.740 --> 00:20:06.940 Well, we'll find it. 203 00:20:07.940 --> 00:20:54.500 And they reference it in this article, and it really talks about kind of the advances in invisibility technology, and the really interesting ones were, to me, where the sound invisibility advanced instruments that were in the article, specifically ones where, and of course, I've been getting the pop-up now to log in to get to the article, so we'll have to get a link that doesn't require that. But there was one that had, like, I almost want to say, microscopic holes that route the sound waves just enough to where you don't hear the sound through it, right? There's, it sound tends to be broken. 204 00:20:54.500 --> 00:21:18.500 And so you can know something there, because the sound wave breaks as it goes by, and in this case, no, it literally goes through it, and just all kinds of really cool different technology on how do you trick the sensors could be visual with the camera in the front and the party in the back? 205 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:19.440 Yep, that's not how it goes. 206 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:24.500 No, that's not how it goes. It's the screen in the back, the screen in the front, the party in the back. Anyway. 207 00:21:24.500 --> 00:21:54.500 The visibility cloak example, the sound ones, and what you're doing with a lot of stealth technology now, and it's fascinating that more and more of the walls that say you cannot do this, therefore you cannot have an invisibility cloak are starting to drop down. Interesting article. 208 00:21:39.000 --> 00:21:43.559 Yeah, it's a super fun stuff and we'll have in the show notes a couple of links. 209 00:21:43.559 --> 00:22:09.039 And eventually we'll find the one where we did talk about it on a prior edition of games of work.biz from our archive edition. So long-term listeners are going to know that we love Lego and we've got a couple of articles. One I'm more excited about than the other. The first one is a switch our example of a gaming controller. We've talked about game controllers recently of this one is Lego, it doesn't look. 210 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.000 That is. Yeah. 211 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:22.000 It has the same kind of great usability as the controllers that Andy was talking about here recently, or the Game Boy version of Lego 2, but it's a cool thing to check out. 212 00:22:22.000 --> 00:22:36.000 What I am much more excited about though is the Lego announcement of the smart play set, so we avoided talking about this much during the CES time frame, but it was announced at CES. 213 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:39.000 And what LEGO's smart play is all about is. 214 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:49.000 having a smart play brick that will provide audio elements depending on certain circumstances. 215 00:22:49.000 --> 00:23:00.000 And this will happen on either other tiles that are nearby or special minifigs that have a tile that's near them as well. 216 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:06.000 So it unlocks certain play experiences when you've got the brick. 217 00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:11.000 and given what Lego is done around R.A.R.A.R.A. 218 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:25.000 you know, these steps into this level of programming and play, I think is just an amazing next step to allow the creativity of kids and adult fans of Lego alike to do some really neat new things. 219 00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:42.339 So let me ask you about this because I saw a couple of reviews of it and as I understood this, you're right, there's some kind of smart tag, there's some kind of process-surthingy, 220 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:55.460 I'm going to leave it at that technical term, within a brick in a set or multiple bricks in a set, and based off of position or location, they can make sounds or do certain things. 221 00:23:56.740 --> 00:24:05.740 So, one, my gut reaction is, and the examples that I saw, 222 00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:08.819 I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to simplify. 223 00:24:08.819 --> 00:24:11.000 I mean, it's, you put this on the brick and then they goes, 224 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:13.619 For you. And I'm like, as a little kid, 225 00:24:14.180 --> 00:24:17.140 was fun. Putting it on the brick and had the brick go, 226 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:20.579 For me, I don't know if it's just fun, right? 227 00:24:20.579 --> 00:24:22.900 And, and second, is that really smart? 228 00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:25.140 Or is it just, [BLANK_AUDIO] 229 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:27.140 So I'm trying to... 230 00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:34.500 And hopefully as they come out and become available, we'll learn more because I'm sure either you or Andy will get some of these when they come out. 231 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.000 Oh yeah, that is the plan. 232 00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:38.500 I'd like to know more of how... 233 00:24:38.500 --> 00:24:44.500 What can you do with it beyond just the... 234 00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:55.500 Is there any type of sensory data that you can then like feed to a device or a sensor that you can then say, "Ah, look, I created a chess set of minifigs." 235 00:24:56.500 --> 00:25:03.500 And therefore, I actually can watch the game on the computer too and move the checked chess pieces. 236 00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:07.500 You know, Darth Vader comes out and Leia comes from the other side and you got the king and the queen, right? 237 00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:11.500 Whatever, I guess, dad and daughter. Oh man, that really messes up the story, doesn't it? 238 00:25:11.000 --> 00:25:17.440 Don't don't don't spoil it for people come on no spoilers 239 00:25:11.500 --> 00:25:17.500 Now that we know that Princess Leia is Darth... 240 00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.500 That really messes with that story. 241 00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:26.500 But anyway, you got the chess. I want to know more. This is really interesting looking and I want to know more. 242 00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:29.960 - Yeah, it's an ecosystem play on the biggest level, right? 243 00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:35.299 So the smart bricks have some sort of accelerometer or something in them must do. 244 00:25:35.299 --> 00:25:38.339 So that if you move them in space, 245 00:25:38.339 --> 00:25:41.539 they can now have a reaction, they can go pew pew. 246 00:25:41.539 --> 00:25:46.460 The smart mini figures can have sounds that are unique to them. 247 00:25:42.500 --> 00:25:44.500 P-U! 248 00:25:46.460 --> 00:25:52.460 And it's easy to imagine that the next things are going to be to be able to program them. 249 00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:55.460 And Michael, remember when you programed like for the first time. 250 00:25:55.500 --> 00:26:00.500 And you got the computer to do something that you made it do. 251 00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:02.299 Oh yeah. Yeah. 252 00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:07.500 So even a pew pew to a young kid may be enough to hook him. 253 00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:12.500 And say, hey, if you like this, you're going to really like the Lego robotics. 254 00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:17.500 If you like the Lego robotics, you're really going to like the digital twin kind of capabilities. 255 00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:22.500 Oh, if you really like the digital, you see where this is going, right? 256 00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:23.500 You could become a supply chain analyst 257 00:26:22.500 --> 00:26:25.460 You could vibe code your way with Lego, right? 258 00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:33.500 And there's a lot of fun that I think is available here, and I'm excited to see what it's going to be too. 259 00:26:26.180 --> 00:26:28.180 Yeah 260 00:26:32.019 --> 00:26:36.420 I'm so excited all I can say is you 261 00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:41.500 Yeah, yeah, I can tell. 262 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.759 That's why this is a video this is not a video podcast 263 00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:54.500 Well, we have one last Pew Pew thing, maybe the until end odd here, and again, long-term listeners will know that we collect not just Lego, but things that run due. 264 00:26:55.500 --> 00:27:04.500 And the last articles that we have here are focused on something called Doom Buds, Doom Buds. 265 00:27:04.500 --> 00:27:12.500 Interconnected, Doom Buds, Pine Buds that allow you to play Doom, so we've seen all kinds of things. 266 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:17.799 I was literally trying to find my pine board. 267 00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:28.640 I actually supported their original Kickstarter for the pine board, which was a Raspberry Pi competitor that could run Android. 268 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:36.960 That was the really cool thing about it, was you could run Android on it, or you could run Linux on it. 269 00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.359 I have that original board, and Andy and I were joking about this, because I was like, 270 00:27:40.359 --> 00:27:42.000 So Andy, have you tried it yet? 271 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.160 and he goes, "I don't have pine buds." 272 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:50.519 So really, you can play doom on pine buds, the answer, right? 273 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.720 And, okay, that's cool. 274 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:54.559 Ish? 275 00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:57.160 Yeah, I mean why not right? 276 00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.559 [laughs] 277 00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:59.519 Yeah? 278 00:27:58.220 --> 00:28:03.359 So so check it out. You'll be able to see it. Maybe you can get your your 279 00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:14.000 Multibot or open claw or whatever to create what it needs to do to play doom on something else once it has access to your email and your calendar 280 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:20.339 I want to play Doom on my Apple pencil pro. 281 00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.559 You probably could right? 282 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:22.039 You know the pressing it 283 00:28:20.339 --> 00:28:30.700 I probably could, yeah, it probably has enough horsepower drawing a little guy going over here. 284 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:24.880 Yeah, I'm sure it presses. 285 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:43.000 All right, well friends, thank you for indulging us for another edition of Games at Work.biz, we'll look forward to seeing what you're interested in, what you want to hear about, drop us a line, you have the usuals, and we will be back again next time. 286 00:28:30.700 --> 00:28:32.940 [laughing] 287 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:50.000 I'll see you next Monday for another edition of Games@Work.biz. 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