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0DC97C8A-FB0A-4862-B0D6-9AD2F44F9B5E: Your hosts are Michael Martine, Andy Piper, and Michael Rowe.
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0DC97C8A-FB0A-4862-B0D6-9AD2F44F9B5E: This is Episode 541, Invisible Llamas.
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F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Good morning. Good evening. Good afternoon. Michael Rowe here in the frigid tundra of North Carolina.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: As we've had, you know, temperature in the 30s all week and nighttime temperatures like really frickin' cold.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: How cold is it in your neck of the woods? Michael Marti?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That also about freezing right now, and yeah, we've had some really low temps here.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It was not low enough to wear the Celsius in Fahrenheit scales converge, but we're getting ready for some more ice and snow and good fun stuff.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: we didn't yeah we didn't cross that stream huh those streams were not crossed at minus 40
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It's minus 40.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, exactly.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: I've been in minus 40 before, and that is cold.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: me too once it was cold is real cold
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That is cold.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It is really cold.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: know what's really called is all the cool stories that we've got for you here on this edition. And Michael, you're going to kick us off with a couple of things. We had a follow up that like we found or you found like right as we were recording. Right.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah, we were talking about this briefly last week.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: It was an article about someone not quite claiming they were running Claude locally, but that this article would help you set it up so you could load Claude locally.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And we were going to take the week and test it out, set it up.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And really, as I read through the article,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: it's like, well, it's not really about fully setting up locally.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So that's interesting.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: What they do, but what this led me down the path of, was looking at other really cool local development models, using large language models.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And we've talked about it in the past many times about running Olama.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And I've got this app that I've been working on in my copious free time.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And it's just turned into spaghetti, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Right, the code is just really bad.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: [laughing]
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And so I decided this week I was going to do some refactoring and try to clean it up, tighten it up, make it a little bit easier to maintain, etc.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And I found a olamma repository called gpt-os/cloud-code-32k.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And this is a local LLM.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I think it's an eight billion parameters.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'm running that locally, and I took one of my source modules that had gotten really out of control.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Oh, okay. Wow. Yeah, right.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And I said, "Hey, here's my code, dumped it in, help me refactor this for ease of maintenance and understanding."
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and it did a frick.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: fantastic job, understanding swift six, so all the concurrency stuff, it understood swift data, which a lot of the model seems to struggle with, and probably within an hour I was able to take this, I think it was 2000 something line source module that I had worked on over the last year and I have just kind of screwing around, refactor it into
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: a few model controller, three different views, four different helper classes, etc.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Now it's tight, it's clean, it's easy to maintain, did a CICD build on Xcode Cloud, deployed it to my devices, and everything is still working exactly the same as before, and actually I feel it's a little faster.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I feel that, and so I said, well, what are other ways that I can refactor code? Because this code base is pretty complex.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And I was listening to security now this week. And Steve Gibson said, this isn't the end. I'll be all, but it's one that he started looking at called Trey AI.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So T-R-A-E-D-A-I, or Treyya, which is supposed to also handle, kind of,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: most of the processing happening locally on your mission.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So a little bit safer, a little bit more secure, not going to leak your code.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Now, does it do all that? I'm not sure. This is the free version.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Downloaded that took the second module in my code base.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: That is also very ugly and confusing and said, "Okay, Trey,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: look at this, help me refactor it."
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And because it's now its own IDE, it looks like it's just using a version of VS Code kind of skinned.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And it
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: went through that one and did another fantastic job of not only looking at that module, but now since I was doing it in the IDE instead of just a chat window, it looked at the rest of the code base and said, ah, I see you've got some duplicate code in this module and that one over there.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Let me refactor that out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And probably out two hours after that, I now had the two most complex parts of my app refactored.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So three hours of work, major refactoring.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Now, Traia, on the other hand, wasn't perfect with understanding Swift and everything.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So I did get a couple of things messed up, things that I was expecting that most AIs do,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and I manually went in and fixed those problems.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: But yeah, I'm pretty impressed.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: This is getting scary good.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And local with Olama, mostly local with Traia.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: who knows what you can do with Claude eventually with that.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Wow, very very very very interesting and you know it's it's funny I was just looking in a llama right now to see if I could find that
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Claude code example so I didn't run the the code that you had there. I was like
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yep, well you need that whole string that I put in our show notes.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yes, yes, yes, and so you'll find that in our show notes and again your mileage may vary
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You take on board all the risks of executing code on anything So, you know, please, you know, don't write it some hate mail later for this sort of stuff
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: But the point I was on was that Alama itself didn't have this as part of the drop down menu that you can say, hey, go grab this and bring it down.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: No, I only run Olamo from the command prompt. I never runings. I have a gooey in front of it
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Right.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Ah, okay.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So if you run Olamo run
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Slickroom slash bla bla bla bla colon latest
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yes, yes, so
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: It'll it'll pull it in
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So it'll it'll move in that direction All right, so because I did a little bit of that no now my machine is also now misbehaving because it's like trying to find stuff that doesn't exist
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Oh, it's 10 gigs of download. You're about to hit if you find it.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, yeah, so I was just like hey, oh, mama go go find this and it's like I don't know what to do
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Okay.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: but but The article that I dropped in the links here for us for to talk about is about a company
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: called humans and they're particular
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: notion for reality here and and and again, it's super funny because I can't see it anymore my screen for that It's completely blank Is that this is a group of people that are looking to do what it seemed like the AI pins were doing to be really a collaborative
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: [laughing]
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: partner to help you
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: in terms of a real assistant.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And I was intrigued by this because it seems like there's one of these after the other.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: There's been plenty of stories about other pins that are starting to show up on the radar for having AI capabilities in one way or another, and on top of all this, I was also really and treat by all the clawed bot, malt bot, and the varying things around.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That, even though they're running locally on a machine, still, if you're not careful, can have all kinds of security vulnerabilities that you really need to pay attention to, and spend some time to do the right things.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So, you know, in a wild west situation right now, in so many different ways of these models becoming available, for people to be able to use them, and then for how do you interact with them?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And my personal feeling is the chat experience feels, again, like a bit of an unnatural sort of call-and-response notion about how a human being is operating with an environment.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That will have to be a lot more natural in the future. And in your situation, Michael, you were looking at, "Hey, can I refactor this code?" Well, you know, that was a command that you explicitly wanted to give that permission for those lines of code.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: If you crack at it, do the best you can, come back, find some problems with the Swift programming languages you said, and you could fix that human in the loop. Check, check, check, right? But we're going to find ourselves in very rapidly when you say, "Hey, go fix my calendar and make room for the meeting I need to have with Michael," or, "Go read my email and respond to everybody who's asking me crazy questions that you should be able to respond to because you know enough about my email." Yikes. There's a bit of a yikes there.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'll give you a yikes, so at work my current company uses a lot of Google products, and as people who listen to the show know I'm not a huge fan of them, Google that is, Google products.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And one of the things we use is Gmail, so we use Google Calendar, and everybody seems to use this one add-on called clockwork, and what clockwork does is
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: it is, you can set up to automatically block time on your calendar, so you have chunks of think time, and it will, if you let it, if you let it, it will move meetings around for you to give you that chunk of think time.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Ooh. Nice.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Ooh, so if you run clockwork and I run clockwork, our clockwork can clock out with one another, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yes, and so I use it to block time,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: but I didn't realize I had left on the OneChat box,
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Whoopsie. Yikes.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and I have a standing meeting with my manager once a week,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and we do a lot of working meetings,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and it kept flopping around on me.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And it's like, wait a minute, no,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I don't want to have this meeting move around on me,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: because I want to be prepared, right?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Surprise me with your manager
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And so, so your point about the AG--
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: a Gentic AI doing stuff for you automatically without the human in the middle that yeah, I I don't like that
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And you're right I think we're fast getting there with lots of individual tools and when you start putting all of those tools together
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: It's gonna get really messy and you you mentioned
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Multbot I think it is and we had a link for the show that came in late that I threw in our show notes
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: which is a great article review.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: It's long, not enough time for the show, but it's really interesting, kind of the perspective there, and I go back to the point you made, the point that we've been making for a long time is you can't just trust this stuff.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: - Oh, cool.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: What's gonna hallucinate?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: The best example I ever heard, it's going to be wrong.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It's gonna hallucinate.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: The best example I heard recently was in an interview and a CEO of company and he was saying,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: you know, people are worried that you'll only hire senior people and will lose the entry point.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And it's like, no, no, you can't do that because the reason, even if the code generates automatically, you can't just trust it implicitly, you need to have people who check.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: You need to have people who learn and in the past you figured out the problem.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Then you coded it. Now you might vibe the code. Then you have to figure out what it did in order to validate it.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So it kind of flips it on its head and so that ends up being how you train the next generation of developers.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Not that you're just going to go away because you're going to vibe everything.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: No, you still have to have the human in the loop and understand what the hell's going on and actually validate that your business process is still accurate and right.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: It actually does what you asked it to do and not making up stuff. So yeah.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Wow, wow, so if you were to hire people and have them comment the code from a human perspective on top
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You can actually use that then to train the model to get better the next time as you're training the human to find out, you know, what was done?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And everybody lifts up. You're not going to get rid of the developers.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah No, and he shouldn't and you still need all those basics. I mean that that is ultra critical
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: No.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: AI is not creative.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Maybe when it's hallucinating, it might be creative, but you still, yeah, but you still need humans to kind of put the reality check.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You tune it up a notch
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: All right, so let's shift gears a little bit to so what some humans have done because we have a few examples of this and
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: One of them from Tom's hardware, and so this was found by Andy R co-host who's not with us today He's got a few other things going on Was a modification of a gaming system that required you to insert a quarter
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: To play the game and I love this too. I loved it
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I love this. Outstanding. Of course, the interesting part from one perspective is actually how he did all of this. What I do find interesting is you remember gauntlet. Valkyries shot the food.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Do I remember gauntlet are you kidding me when it when I could play it with
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: When I don't have to put quarters in it, which is something I experienced a couple about a month and change ago I played the thing for like three hours straight. It was great. Oh, I'm dead add more quarters
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah. Yeah, so it was on Steam all back and I bought it and I was trying to get everybody to play. And it actually was, it was great to play, but it wasn't as fun feeding the quarters in, yeah, there was no, there was, the fun part was you had to pay attention and really make sure, right, that you weren't just dumping quarters. It's like, if you had infinite well think it anything you want.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Because you weren't watching your money disappear. That's the fun part, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Then everything kind of loses a little bit of its value, so but I love this idea and I'd really like to see and I didn't catch if it was just to start a game or if it could be set up to do the gauntlet model of, you know, timer-based games or you're slowly losing energy until you've got to put it in, keep feeding the beast.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Ooh, mmm, mmm, mmm, yep, yep.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: yep
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: No, this is this is good stuff and for those who have never experienced this because there's a lot of people who have it
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That level of oh, I'm so close and
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: I would really like a pizza pizza after this, but I'm so close
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yes, but I'm so close and if I put this quarter in, I can't afford my piece of pizza.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And and and you you're watching the time go nine eight seven. You're like oh, okay
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Eight. Yep.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Whatever, yes, so microtransactions old school
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Old-school microtransactions. Yep.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Now now we also came up with another interesting thing which was a variation of an umbrella and
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: This was something that I love the video for this because the the notion is you know Can you reimagine an umbrella where if you're crayoring your groceries to your house or your car or your apartment or from the store?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: oftentimes you got a lot of groceries and
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It's hard to hold the umbrella and not get everything wet and drop the bag and then you'll have the classic movie thing So this particular example is a quadcopter that is
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Tracking you as you walk and providing you with shelter So you can walk or skip or jump or run whichever way you want and that quadcopter is going to keep you nice and dry
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I thought this was really cool.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: There's two key things.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And one, the quadcopter is doing it all on device, right?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So it's not sending the data to do tracking information.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So it's all on device, great.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: The second thing I saw as the guy was demoing it is,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: you need a faster processor because there was a bit of lag.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yes.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And if you've ever been a gamer on a Twitch game, right,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: like a first-person shooter, lag kills.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And with rain.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And then you have to get the cool umbrella that the lady and her little kid has at the bottom of the article.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, that's not the exact kind of umbrella.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: [Laughter]
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: That's just a weird collar, you know.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So this was from MIT.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yep.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: I loved also the fact that he was considering adding what he called aimbots to a bone arrow or building a working light stick out of Lego.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I loved it.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So he's got other ideas that he wants to consider here too.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah, now but this is really cool. I I really like the
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So cool stuff.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Now I see that we skipped one article and that didn't mean to.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And that was that hacker news article about discovering games from hacker news.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And that was the one I think that Andy shared too.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And I browsed a little bit.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And of course, I selected a game that didn't work on a mobile device.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So I didn't do much with it.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: But there's plenty of games here.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And you can find them by name or genre or whatever you're kind of interested in and give them a shot.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So take a look.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: >> All right, last in the.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You know, did his thing.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: There's a way to go about it.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah, this actually, the funny thing is, when this article came across my feed, I was like,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: "God, didn't we talk about the guy at Duke working on the invisibility cloak about three or four years ago, maybe even five years ago, maybe even longer than that?"
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yup.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Well, we'll find it.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And they reference it in this article, and it really talks about kind of the advances in invisibility technology, and the really interesting ones were, to me, where the sound invisibility advanced instruments that were in the article, specifically ones where, and of course, I've been getting the pop-up now to log in to get to the article, so we'll have to get a link that doesn't require that. But there was one that had, like, I almost want to say, microscopic holes that route the sound waves just enough to where you don't hear the sound through it, right? There's, it sound tends to be broken.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And so you can know something there, because the sound wave breaks as it goes by, and in this case, no, it literally goes through it, and just all kinds of really cool different technology on how do you trick the sensors could be visual with the camera in the front and the party in the back?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yep, that's not how it goes.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: No, that's not how it goes. It's the screen in the back, the screen in the front, the party in the back. Anyway.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: The visibility cloak example, the sound ones, and what you're doing with a lot of stealth technology now, and it's fascinating that more and more of the walls that say you cannot do this, therefore you cannot have an invisibility cloak are starting to drop down. Interesting article.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, it's a super fun stuff and we'll have in the show notes a couple of links.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And eventually we'll find the one where we did talk about it on a prior edition of games of work.biz from our archive edition. So long-term listeners are going to know that we love Lego and we've got a couple of articles. One I'm more excited about than the other. The first one is a switch our example of a gaming controller. We've talked about game controllers recently of this one is Lego, it doesn't look.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: That is. Yeah.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: It has the same kind of great usability as the controllers that Andy was talking about here recently, or the Game Boy version of Lego 2, but it's a cool thing to check out.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: What I am much more excited about though is the Lego announcement of the smart play set, so we avoided talking about this much during the CES time frame, but it was announced at CES.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And what LEGO's smart play is all about is.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: having a smart play brick that will provide audio elements depending on certain circumstances.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And this will happen on either other tiles that are nearby or special minifigs that have a tile that's near them as well.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So it unlocks certain play experiences when you've got the brick.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: and given what Lego is done around R.A.R.A.R.A.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: you know, these steps into this level of programming and play, I think is just an amazing next step to allow the creativity of kids and adult fans of Lego alike to do some really neat new things.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So let me ask you about this because I saw a couple of reviews of it and as I understood this, you're right, there's some kind of smart tag, there's some kind of process-surthingy,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'm going to leave it at that technical term, within a brick in a set or multiple bricks in a set, and based off of position or location, they can make sounds or do certain things.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So, one, my gut reaction is, and the examples that I saw,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to simplify.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I mean, it's, you put this on the brick and then they goes,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: For you. And I'm like, as a little kid,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: was fun. Putting it on the brick and had the brick go,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: For me, I don't know if it's just fun, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And, and second, is that really smart?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Or is it just, [BLANK_AUDIO]
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So I'm trying to...
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And hopefully as they come out and become available, we'll learn more because I'm sure either you or Andy will get some of these when they come out.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Oh yeah, that is the plan.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'd like to know more of how...
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: What can you do with it beyond just the...
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Is there any type of sensory data that you can then like feed to a device or a sensor that you can then say, "Ah, look, I created a chess set of minifigs."
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And therefore, I actually can watch the game on the computer too and move the checked chess pieces.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: You know, Darth Vader comes out and Leia comes from the other side and you got the king and the queen, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Whatever, I guess, dad and daughter. Oh man, that really messes up the story, doesn't it?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Don't don't don't spoil it for people come on no spoilers
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Now that we know that Princess Leia is Darth...
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: That really messes with that story.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: But anyway, you got the chess. I want to know more. This is really interesting looking and I want to know more.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: - Yeah, it's an ecosystem play on the biggest level, right?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So the smart bricks have some sort of accelerometer or something in them must do.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So that if you move them in space,
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: they can now have a reaction, they can go pew pew.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: The smart mini figures can have sounds that are unique to them.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: P-U!
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And it's easy to imagine that the next things are going to be to be able to program them.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And Michael, remember when you programed like for the first time.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And you got the computer to do something that you made it do.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Oh yeah. Yeah.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So even a pew pew to a young kid may be enough to hook him.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And say, hey, if you like this, you're going to really like the Lego robotics.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: If you like the Lego robotics, you're really going to like the digital twin kind of capabilities.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Oh, if you really like the digital, you see where this is going, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: You could become a supply chain analyst
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You could vibe code your way with Lego, right?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And there's a lot of fun that I think is available here, and I'm excited to see what it's going to be too.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I'm so excited all I can say is you
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, yeah, I can tell.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: That's why this is a video this is not a video podcast
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Well, we have one last Pew Pew thing, maybe the until end odd here, and again, long-term listeners will know that we collect not just Lego, but things that run due.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: And the last articles that we have here are focused on something called Doom Buds, Doom Buds.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Interconnected, Doom Buds, Pine Buds that allow you to play Doom, so we've seen all kinds of things.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I was literally trying to find my pine board.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I actually supported their original Kickstarter for the pine board, which was a Raspberry Pi competitor that could run Android.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: That was the really cool thing about it, was you could run Android on it, or you could run Linux on it.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I have that original board, and Andy and I were joking about this, because I was like,
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So Andy, have you tried it yet?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: and he goes, "I don't have pine buds."
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: So really, you can play doom on pine buds, the answer, right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: And, okay, that's cool.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Ish?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, I mean why not right?
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: [laughs]
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: Yeah?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: So so check it out. You'll be able to see it. Maybe you can get your your
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Multibot or open claw or whatever to create what it needs to do to play doom on something else once it has access to your email and your calendar
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I want to play Doom on my Apple pencil pro.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You probably could right?
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: You know the pressing it
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: I probably could, yeah, it probably has enough horsepower drawing a little guy going over here.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: Yeah, I'm sure it presses.
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: All right, well friends, thank you for indulging us for another edition of Games at Work.biz, we'll look forward to seeing what you're interested in, what you want to hear about, drop us a line, you have the usuals, and we will be back again next time.
F35A0073-A7A6-47BF-94D0-FEA06771885E: [laughing]
6A77DCA2-A522-4BAD-B3F6-8AC5817A82FE: I'll see you next Monday for another edition of Games@Work.biz. See you, everybody.
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